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antialias02 · May 01, 2007, 12:44 PM // 12:44

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Originally Posted by Productivity

How is it a hasty judgement? You've never managed to keep a schedule, so expecting you to miss another target isn't exactly unfair...

ArenaNet is never early and never late, but always arrives exactly when it means to?

*cough*

We should get ATS soon, count yer blessings.

LyraMyst · May 01, 2007, 06:03 PM // 18:03

I've noticed a "gvg test" tournament when I looked at the tournament npc today (the one where u can register ur account for hvh)... Is it starting today

?

Loviatar · May 01, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Productivity

How is it a hasty judgement? You've never managed to keep a schedule, so expecting you to miss another target isn't exactly unfair...[/QUOTE]

when have they missed a specifc official release date?

details please with linkies to official release dates missed

defrule · May 01, 2007, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Noon has past even for Pacific time.

Cassandra · May 01, 2007, 07:23 PM // 19:23

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

when have they missed a specifc official release date?

details please with linkies to official release dates missed

it's not exactly missing the dates (even though with the ATS in january, yes it was really and completely missed; and that I think was another reminder for Anet... "never give dates, NEVER give dates!" lol); it's just HOW you have to understand the dates... remember the BIG SUMMER UPDATE of 2005? Nice that, out of 3 months, it came out 2 days before autumn.... so yeah, it was technically still summer :P

Cassandra · May 01, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

here's the update.... u wouldn't guess what... some small delay xD

however I admit I was too pessimistic, I apologise -__-''

http://www.guildwars.com/competitive...tureupdate.php

linh · May 01, 2007, 09:20 PM // 21:20

So far, tomorrow noon is May 9. So we must assume "today" date is May 8.

Yichi · May 01, 2007, 09:21 PM // 21:21

a delay, oh noes. this comes as a complete shocker.... Honestly i wish anet would stop giving time frames if they have no intention of sticking to them.

defrule · May 01, 2007, 09:31 PM // 21:31

I saw this coming.

Kool Pajamas · May 01, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

a delay, oh noes. this comes as a complete shocker.... Honestly i wish anet would stop giving time frames if they have no intention of sticking to them.

How? They said its coming in May and it still is. Coming in May doesnt automatically make it May 1st. Even if they intended it to be May 1st, the delay doesnt mean they had no intention of keeping it. They arent purposefully delaying it. You dont want an extremely buggy ATS do you?

dargon · May 01, 2007, 10:39 PM // 22:39

Apparently he/she/it does, they must want to find all the bugs ANet missed so they can post a whine thread about how crappy the ATS is and how ANet has lousy testers, etc etc etc.

Series · May 01, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

And when, tomorrow at Noon, you find that this comment is completely wrong, will you be back to say "Sorry for my hasty judgment?"

And then tommorow at Noon if it does not come, will you be back to say "Sorry for my foolish judgment"?

Productivity · May 01, 2007, 11:20 PM // 23:20

[QUOTE=Loviatar]

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when have they missed a specifc official release date?

details please with linkies to official release dates missed

Reconnects before Factions gogogoogogo!

As ever, Arena Net have moderately competant PR, who do everything to avoid giving an actual date, however if you look through the history, critical features (trade improvements lol?) have a history of having extremely long lead times before they are released.

They started 'working' on storage upgrades 18 months ago lol.

Yichi · May 02, 2007, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

How? They said its coming in May and it still is. Coming in May doesnt automatically make it May 1st. Even if they intended it to be May 1st, the delay doesnt mean they had no intention of keeping it. They arent purposefully delaying it. You dont want an extremely buggy ATS do you?

Actually if you want to be technical, they said the AT's would be here in January.... Then April......

Gaile Gray · May 02, 2007, 01:57 AM // 01:57

Apologies from me: The article was slated to be posted at Noon. The website server crashed this morning, and both news post/articles were delayed by a few minutes or even, I think, by an hour or so.

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

Actually if you want to be technical, they said the AT's would be here in January.... Then April......

That part is very true.

You know, there are those at ArenaNet who feel we should not state even a vague timeline. They want to avoid putting the team under stress, and allow us to work most efficiently on what needs to be done first, even though that sometimes isn't what the players want most. (And yes, honestly, prioritization must be the developer's call. Not everyone demanded reconnects at the top of their list, but reconnects really was a more critical addition than, say, storage increases.) So some on the team say, "Don't make a promise, don't even let players know we're working on something."

I disagree.

I'd rather you know we hear you, and are working on things you care about, even if we sometimes miss a deadline, as we did with the Automated Tournament System, or even if we get heat for not working on this one player's top "essential," or that other player's special request. I ask for timeframes all the time, and I like to give them to you because, when I was following games as closely as you follow Guild Wars today, I liked knowing what was coming, and I appreciated having some vague idea of what might be on the tracks, heading in my direction. We give the timeframes with the hopes that you'll understand if we might miss one. In fact, the ATS is delayed because we needed the team to work on some critical elements for GW:EN, so we had to make a shift in dates.

You probably have noticed we're not giving month or day deadlines as much any more. The ATS situation is one reason. We missed that date, plain and simple. Another thing to consider is that some players can leap to assume "You promised!" when we simply say we'll consider something or when we say "Maybe in a month" and it's longer.

Communication is a good thing -- we're committed to it as a company; I'm committed to it as a liaison. But please understand that we've never missed a game release date, never flubbed on a event release timeframe, and we've been adding a lot to the game over the last two years. I'm hoping that you can look beyond the extra time that we regretfully needed for the ATS and consider the system on its merits, once it is released.

Inde · May 02, 2007, 03:14 AM // 03:14

Repeat mantra...

Any insult to an individual or the community as a whole will be deleted. Please keep your posts on topic and contributing.

unknown entity · May 02, 2007, 03:49 AM // 03:49

hI, Gaile.

Gills clearly stated ATS would go live in April in the previous SotG. You broke the promise without making any official statement (I mean, no chat from you, Gaile, but a formal article on GW site). This is not good course of action. (or inaction?)

As a tester, I knew it was apparent ATS was not completed as expected (it had various problems/bugs which weren't related to stress at the beginning) and you need time to fix them. Others who heard/read about such might expect the delay was unavoidable as well.

But such people were limited in number. Most ppl didn't know such information. You should announce it must be postponed for some time (and ask ppl to wait for further news) around the time when Devs decided to do further testing. (aroud mid April?)
Lack of news was bad in this case, as timeline was already given a month ago. Don't you think so?

I had concern whether ATS could endure real stress as we had less than a hundred of testers at max. I hope live test would become true as Gills stated in the latest SotG and you can run live stress test with hundreds or thousands of registrants.

And while you're reading this thread... I have a question as well.
Are there something wrong with the new daily ATS schedule?

Thursday 23:00 HvH - Friday 24:00(you mean 0:00?) HvH
Monday 23:00 GvG - Tuesday 24:00(same here) GvG

Only 1 hour interval between 2 tournaments??? Do I misread the table?

fenix · May 02, 2007, 03:51 AM // 03:51

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Originally Posted by Cassandra

That, translated from Anet languages, should mean 28th of May, and effectively starting in June

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

And when, tomorrow at Noon, you find that this comment is completely wrong, will you be back to say "Sorry for my hasty judgment?"

bahahaahahahahahhahahaah.

AT's delayed for ~8 days... bit of a backfire there eh Gaile? I think Cassandra deserves an apology

Seriously though, Anet have delayed AT's for ~3 months. At this point I don't think there's ANYTHING Anet could do that would make me think of them as a 'good' company. Every time they say they are going to implement something, it takes an extra 2 months. And you wonder why GvG's are becoming stupid....

Peewee · May 02, 2007, 03:56 AM // 03:56

There is no competitive gvg while these Ats are being rolled out. A delay means more time that us GvG players sit on our hands, thinking about joining WoW. I mean, imagine overhauling PvE and removing significant parts of that for several months. Essentially, we payed for new chapters to remain competitive, and the part of the game we payed to play, isnt here.

Every. single. missed. deadline is a kick in the teeth, and while you guys may deem them as neccesary, it doesnt really take the pain away.

fenix · May 02, 2007, 03:58 AM // 03:58

Yeah, making the ladder not matter in terms of AT's, but not putting in AT's, is just like Anet making a new drop system, but removing all monster drops for 2 months while they implement the new system....